Godhead Message:
I went through this same stage of believing that Jesus was first in Heaven then came to earth as Son of God.
But I have come to see, as I went deeper into the true revelation, that this is not true. Jesus’ saying that he came out from God and went back to God is NOT saying that he ‘pre-existed’ before his birth as Jesus.
It means that God sent him out into the world to preach the Kingdom of God, same as God sent John out into the world. Same as Jesus sent Peter out into the world. Most of the error in the world came because of people ‘mistaking’ the true meanings of words and phrases in the Book.
Because of false, hand-me-down doctrine, we seem to ‘see’ these false meanings because that is ALL we have ever heard or had access to knowing.
But Jesus did NOT pre-exist before his birth by Mary. Sure, God placed His Holy Spirit into Jesus, BUT THIS OCCURRED AT THE TIME OF THE BAPTISM OF JESUS BY JOHN.
Now let someone prove otherwise! It cannot be done. Jesus Christ was Jesus Christ and no one else. He was not God. He is still not God.
God gave the Holy Ghost to Jesus. But Jesus was fully a HUMAN BEING and nothing more.
Jesus never at any time said, I am God. So if He did not teach this, now can anyone else teach it?
Jesus had his very own human spirit just as I have. Jesus gave me the same Holy Ghost.
I proceeded out and came from God. This does not mean I pre-existed. John 17:16–They [his disciples] are not of the world, even as [AS] I am not of the world.
Now see that Jesus placed his disciples here on the very same level he himself was on?
. Of course they might see the truth and just not know just how to ‘word’ it. Jesus’ spirit was NOT a part of God. The Holy Ghost was of God. Jesus’ spirit is NOT the Holy Ghost. Proof?…Sure…
Acts 10:38- How God ANOINTED Jesus of Nazareth with the HOLY GHOST AND WITH POWER… for God was WITH HIM.
See? God ANOINTED Jesus with the Holy Ghost and God anointed Jesus with power…proving Jesus did not have this Holy Ghost or power of HIS VERY OWN ACCORD. It was GIVEN TO HIM BY GOD….SAME WAY WE HAVE IT.
So the spirit in Jesus which came out from God was this HOLY GHOST, not Jesus’ own spirit.
If the church ever comes into this pure truth again, the POWER OF GOD WILL MANIFEST ITSELF AGAIN TO THIS WORLD. Also I do not see that Mary’s womb was full of power. No Scripture says this. The only way to pure truth is to NEVER SAY ANYTHING, NO NOT EVEN ONE WORD WHICH IS NOT PURELY STATED EXACTLY THAT WAY IN THE WRITTEN SCRIPTURES.
Here is the REAL TRUTH OF THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE. QUOTED FROM THE WORD…ALL OF THE VERSES…[this will show you how error comes from ‘leap-frogging’ with the Word.]
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Joh 8:24# |
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. |
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Joh 8:25# |
Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. |
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Joh 8:26# |
I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. |
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Jo. 8:27# |
They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. |
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Joh 8:28# |
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. |
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Joh 8:29# |
And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. |
Now let’s just take a real close and truthful look at the above verses:
v24. Jesus said, if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins…
but the question is, believe that he is WHO? Now you state that he told them he was speaking of the Father, and therefore is saying they [we] must believe that Jesus is the Father. Right?
But that is NOT what Jesus spoke of when he said he spoke of the Father.. go back and really READ the word. [stop just letting false teachers tell you what it says]. This is dangerous…will send you to hell.
v25. They asked Jesus who are you. Jesus said the SAME THAT I SAID TO YOU FROM THE BEGINNING.
So now, go back to the beginning of the life of Jesus and go find me one place and quote it here for me, where Jesus ever even ONE TIME TOLD ANYONE THAT HE IS GOD OR THE FATHER.
Know what? It is NOT THERE. Jesus never one time said these words…so what did he tell them? Read on.
Now verse 26 reveals to us what Jesus was speaking of about the FATHER.. “I speak to the world the things which I heard of the one who SENT ME“. Now…we are getting to truth.
verse 27-They understood not that he spoke of the Father. See you left this out, thereby making a lie.
When he said I speak the things I heard of the one who sent me.. this is where he is speaking of the Father…that the Father SENT HIM AND HE IS SPEAKING THE WORDS OF THE FATHER….
DID YOU NEVER READ WHERE Jesus said the Words I speak are NOT mine, but the Father’s which SENT ME?
Is it sensible to say that Jesus SENT HIMSELF AND HE SPOKE NOT HIS OWN WORDS BUT THOSE OF HIMSELF FOR HE SENT HIMSELF THEREFORE HE SPOKE NOT OF HIMSELF BUT OF HIMSELF WHO SENT HIMSELF?
NOW THAT IS THE vomit the Jesus’ only folks are spewing out!
Now back to who or what Jesus told them [us] we had BETTER BELIEVE IF WE DESIRE SALVATION. >>
Verse 28. [here is the real clue.. the real truth] >
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Joh 8:28# |
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. |
Jesus said, “when ye have lifted up the SON OF MAN, ………then shall ye know…..THAT I AM HE…………He who? The SON OF MAN.
And that I do NOTHING OF MYSELF, but as my Father [not myself, my Father] hath TAUGHT me, [did he teach himself? if so, why did not he say so? is his speach a little crazy?]….My Father taught me, I speak these things which He taught me.
Now you better take a good solid look at this, all of you. Jesus said, unless you believe that I am the SON OF MAN, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS.
WHERE IS EVEN ONE PLACE WHERE HE SAID BELIEVE THAT I AM THE FATHER.. BELIEVE I AM GOD?
Someone give me that verse.. not one you misunderstand and misquote.. .and leave parts out to try and make it fit this lying teaching. God will judge all of you for changing his word.
Have you ever read Heb. one? You need to study this chapter. Now Thomas had received a revelation from the Father just as Peter received a revelation from the Father. Jesus told Peter flesh and blood [which he was] did not reveal this to you, but my Father which is in Heaven.
Do you really think Jesus was calling himself, My Father? My shows possession does it not? Is Jesus saying I am my own Father. My self is my Father? Foolishness.
Jesus had asked Peter, who do you say that I am. What did Peter answer? Do you know? Any of you?
Did Peter say, you are God? Nope. Why not, if this is the true foundation for our belief? Peter said you are the Son of God. Jesus verified that this was a true revelation from His Father.
Now, Thomas has received a revelation from the Father concerning the fact that AFTER THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS INTO LIFE ETERNAL, IMMORTAL LIFE, NEW BIRTH LIFE, NOW GOD THE FATHER [ A SPIRIT] REWARDS JESUS FOR HIS PERFECT OBEDIENCE TO GOD, AND HIS DEATH AND GOING INTO HELL FIRE TO PAY THE PRICE FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD..
GOD THE ONLY GOD, THE FATHER …OF…OUR LORD JESUS, sets Jesus up on the throne of God, to be worshipped as God with God. Ever hear this?
Read Heb. 1:
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Heb 1:1# |
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, |
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Heb 1:2# |
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
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God spoke by His Son. God appointed His Son heir of all things.
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Heb 1:4# |
Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. |
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Heb 1:5# |
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? |
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Heb 1:6# |
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. |
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Heb 1:7# |
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. |
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Heb 1:8# |
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. |
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Heb 1:9# |
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. |
This says that God made Jesus much higher than angels. Before his death he was lower than the angels….for the suffering of death.
Now v.8–this is where it was fulfilled what Jesus said, ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO ME. ……given to me…….given by whom? why was it given to him? If he already were God, why and who gave this power to him? Now you do believe what Jesus said, don’t you?
Jesus said, ALL POWER IN HEAVEN AND EARTH…..IS…….GIVEN…….TO ME. By whom?
By God. By His God. By His Father. Do you believe that Jesus has a God? If not, you must call lots of Scriptures a lie. IT MENTIONS THE GOD AND FATHER OF JESUS IN LOTS OF PLACES.
Jesus called him, My God, My God on that cross. Who was he speaking to ?
Now go back and read where God told the angels of God to worship his Son. He told us to worship Jesus now as God. So that is the revelation Thomas received……..that now……..after his glorification into the image of God……Jesus has been raised up to be God with the God kingdom…….God set Jesus up as God and told us to worship and honour HIS SON EVEN AS WE HONOUR AND WORSHIP HIM.
That is how and why Isa. 9:6 declares that the only begotten Son, which is the RESURRECTED CHIRST, is our everlasting Father. This will never end. Jesus is our Father………but God is Jesus’ Father.
Jesus was also the son of God.. How can this be you ask?.. Jesus had two natures.. as a human he was the son of God but the Spirit inside the human body of Jesus was God..[Mateo]
Jesus had two natures?????? Where is even one verse stating this lie? Are you not afraid to add to the Word of God this way? Do you not know that God will take your part out of the Book of life and add the plagues of His Word to you if you change his word this way?
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of an angry God. This kind of stuff makes God angry.
Jesus only performed miracles by FAITH IN GOD. Not that he was God. If so, then how is he our pattern son? How are we placed on the same level as He? When he told his disciples you will do all I have done and greater, how is this fulfilled if one must be God, with a dual nature to work these great works?
If Peter raised the Dead same as Jesus, did this mean peter had that dual nature? If not, then how was he doing just as Jesus did? Think about this.
How can we lay hands on the sick and they recover if one must be God and have a dual nature to do so? If Jesus said we shall do as he did, then how can we do it, if Jesus did it as being God? See? If JEsus did it as God, then we cannot do as He did. If so then we must also be God…………see where this false teaching leads.
And that was its purpose,,……..to fulfill the desire of satan to be God. Make man be God………Adam is Satan…….Adam wanted to be God. Was that not what he was tempted with?? God doth know that we shall be as gods? Ever read that………is that what you all desire ??????? to be as gods? Sure seems so.
Jesus was a man. The Word always declares Jesus was and still is a man. Where does it say Jesus was and still is God? Where does it say that?
It says Jesus is the man who mediates between God and us. the MAN Christ Jesus………did not say …the God, Christ Jesus. Now did it?
Jesus raised the dead by FAITH IN GOD. Else he was not our pattern. Else he is not our kinsman redeemer. God is not a kinsman to us……..only another human being is our kinsman.
You do away with the entire purpose and glory of Jesus when you declare him to be God.
Where is even one verse saying Jesus is God the Father? It is a lie of man. Satanic.
Why can none of you realize that the word ‘one’ has many meanings? Why are you so infantile as to think only as a digit? 1,2,3 etc. Why is this the only meaning you can come up with for the word one?
God is not saying he is just 1 being as you think. Jesus is certainly a separate being from His Father….else his entire speech would be completely foolish…….
When he said My Father is GREATER THAN I. what do you think this means.
Jodi, READ IT. READ IT. READ IT.
…..and I am not trying to be smart. But false teachings have ‘conditioned’ everyone’s minds to ‘think’ the Word is saying something which it never says………
John 1:1–In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Now where in that verse is Jesus the Son of God mentioned? See? Jesus is NOT mentioned.
False doctrine says that Jesus is the Word. But this is never taught in the Word of God. It is made up lies, made up by carnal, evil men.
The WORD is God’s own thoughts. The WORD is not God’s Son. The WORD is not Mary’s son either.
The WORD is God. …..for this is God’s own thoughts and power. Whatever God says, that is IT. Whatever He says will be – for He is all power. His Word is the power.
Jesus, the Son is, not mentioned in John one until verse 17. Verse 14 is the one which has thrown the entire world for a big loop.
But this happened because carnal minded men did NOT receive the true revelation of the Word.
This says that the WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us. Now everyone, trinitarians and the Jesus-only folks alike, think and teach that this is Jesus the man; Mary’s son………BUT IT IS NOT. (do you think mary is the mother of God?)
How do I know? Read the rest of the verse……..”and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Now, when Jesus was on earth before his death, the Word teaches (Isa. 53) “and when we shall see him, there is NO BEAUTY that we should desire him.” …….this means there was NO GLROY in this human, mortal man. He was a MAN OF SORROWS AND ACQUAINTED WITH GRIEF…………SEE…..NO GLORY.
So when and what was this glory? It was the RESURRECTED CHRIST, WHICH IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD……..Read Romans 1: 1-4. this says that Jesus was declared to be the SON OF GOD BY THE RESURRECTION……….
now that is the GLORY…….that resurrected, GLORIFIED BODY. The Word He gave us is the FLESH, which the Word was made………spiritual flesh, which we must EAT……..EAT……..EAT…..IN ORDER TO HAVE ETERNAL LIFE……….NOW DO WE ………EAT……….THE HUMAN FLESH OR BODY OF JESUS?
No -of course we do not…….so this SPIRITUAL WORD, AND THIS GLORIFIED BODY IS THE FLESH WHICH THE WORD WAS MADE AND DWELT AMONG US……..IT IS STILL HERE AMONG US….I HAVE IT RIGHT NOW INSIDE ME………THE WORD…….THE SPIRITUAL FLESH..
Hope you can see this………I sure cannot find anyone anywhere who wishes to see truth and break away from the false ‘mamma Jezebel’ church teachings.
Please read and EXPLAIN John 17:1-3.
Who was Jesus speaking to?
Himself?
Is he calling himself his own Father?
If Jesus were his own Father, please explain why he said to this ‘father’ as You gave him power over all flesh……now if he is the Father why did he say he GAVE himself this power?
Did he give himself power?……..but this is not all……….read on….
verse 3—-[Jesus still speaking TO HIS FATHER]—-this is life eternal, that they might know THEE [you], THE ….ONLY…….TRUE….GOD,…………AND …..JESUS CHRIST,,,,,,,WHOM……YOU….HAST SENT.
Jesus tells HIS FATHER,,,,, you are the only true God…………now do you call Jesus a lie? how you explain this?
Mateo, believe me, I know the deception you are under……for I was also at one time under this same deception…..but God himself spoke to me and brought me out of the deception…..
Now just study these things without being antagonistic. Read for your own sake….
open your heart up and let God speak to you…….else you will never see truth…..
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I explain how Isa. 9: 6 is……..it was NOT speaking of Jesus the Son of Mary…….. [please take the time to study my message on Emmanuel]….it is a stationary page here……..so you can find it easy..
Jesus was the VIRGIN, which bore the manchild……..which was the Emmanuel…..which was the beginning>>>>>but the beginning of WHAT?
I also have a message here explaining this,,,,,,, the Beginning.
It does NOT mean Jesus was the Beginning of eternity………for eternity had no beginning…it is saying that Jesus is the BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF SONS IN GODS IMAGE………BUT THIS STARTED AT HIS RESURRECTION.
Now, Jesus was the one who brought forth a Son of God in the image of God,,,,,, not Mary. That Son of God was Jesus’ own perfected life…………. same as we must accomplish……..at our resurrection………to bring forth a Son of God into glorification.
Jesus is the Virgin who brought forth Emmanuel…..not Mary. It was Jesus at His own resurrection. It was the Son of Jesus. Christ in US,,,,,,,CHRIST IN JESUS……….THE HOPE OF GLORY.
Glorification……….at resurrection……..which will not be accomplished unless we bring forth Christ in our own lives….
God set Jesus up on His own throne to be our God and our Father………this is how Jesus is now almighty. But this does NOT MEAN JESUS IS GOD…….NOR THAT GOD IS NOT ALMIGHTY……THEY ARE ONE WITH EACH OTHER……..NOT [1]…..AS MEANING JUST [1] BEING.
Sure the Father was in Jesus……….BUT……did you never read that Jesus was also IN THE FATHER?
Again read John 17.-v22—[have any of you ever read this?]——-And the glory which THOU GAVEST ME…..[see someone GAVE this glory to Jesus]—–I have GIVEN THEM; [now does this make us God?]—that they may be ONE, EVEN ——-AS—–WE [WE IS PLURAL]—ARE—ONE.
v21—that they ALL [how many?}—-ALL—-may be—–ONE——-; AS—-thou [you]—Father, are in me, and i in thee,,, that THEY also may be—–ONE—–in us: that the world may believe —[what? that Jesus is God? did he say that?}—-believe what?—–that thou [ you]….hast SENT ME………..
Now Jesus did not say that the world may believe that I am God and that I came to earth,,,, being God in flesh…..now did he? If this is the truth,,,,,,,, then WHY……..why……did not Jesus say so?
Why are all of you saying something which Jesus himself never taught?
If Jesus and His Father being ONE means they are the same 1,,,,,then how are we all ONE?? If the Father being IN Jesus made Jesus the Father,,,,,,, then how it is they are in us? Are we the Father?
Better do some serious studying and QUIT listening to lies.
Did Not Paul say, You are ALL……ONE?
Did not Jesus also say, My Father is GREATER THAN I?
Why is it none of you ever go to that Scripture? Afraid of truth? Lies will not save you. You must believe the truth.
Truth must match and fit ALL SCRIPTURE. Fit your belief into these Scriptures in John 17
Show me where the Word said God came to earth in human flesh……..It does not say that.
Sure Jesus manifested God……….so did Paul ……..and Peter….and John…..and me.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. ( Jesus is speaking here and he said he could do nothing in his own self but he came to do the will of his Father that sent him.
31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. ( Jesus is saying in this scripture that if he is bearing witness of himself don’t believe him because it’s not true. )
32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.( Did Jesus send himself? No he said that his Father sent him. ( What Jesus is saying here is in John was sent to bear witness onto the truth, but that was testimony from man, but he said I have a greater witness than John’s witness. He said that the works bear witness of me, but let’s look to vs. 37 where he said I have a I have a greater witness that these.
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
John 8:14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.
15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
That sounds to me like two different beings.
We are not to add to the word or take away. The word of God says that God is a Spirit and that no one has seen God at any time. Jesus said he was flesh and bone. How can flesh and bone be a Spirit?
Jesus was born of woman? Hmy well go clean itow could the Almighty God be born of woman? Jesus died. How could the Almighty God die? Jesus suffered and went into hell with all the sins of the world? God did not suffer and die and go into hell.
God was and still is the Father of Jesus. God did not Father himself.
God is a many-membered KINGDOM. God is not just 1 being. Learn. One means in unity; It would not be possible if He were only – 1 – . How can – 1 – be in a unity or oneness with only 1?
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. ( see he said he went unto the Father which was greater than himself.
John10:30 I and my Father are one. . “http://groups.msn.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=1520&version=kjv” ( Jesus was not stating that him and his Father was one here as the Trinitarians say and as the ONENESS people say. He referred to the unity such as was on the day of Pentecost where they were in one mind and one accord. Jesus prayed that this same unity would become a reality among his followers.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. (see the plural word we there. If Jesus was God so are we because he said let them be one as we are one.)
Jesus lived as God’s servant. He yielded perfect obedience to His Father. He always did those things that pleased God. This showed that Jesus recognized God as greater than he.
1 Tim3:16- And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. ( God, meaning God the Father was manifested in the flesh. In other words God put in spirit in Jesus and manifested his glory in his son Jesus Christ. Just like his spirit is in us and we are to manifest God on this earth. Manifest means to make known or reveal. That’s all that means. It doesn’t mean that God himself came to earth. It also does not mean that God himself came forth from Mary’s womb. The eternal God was not borned of woman. God was in Christ. The eternal God was not taken to no cross, where sinful man grabbed him up and nailed him to the cross and killed him, and put the eternal God in hell. No, his fleshly son Jesus came on this earth and did.
Jesus was made sin for us and put in hell because of us. It was not for something that he did. He did it willingly for us. The eternal God didn’t do that. He sent his son and we will see more of this in this study. God was in Christ, remember where he read that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself.
He said in John chapter 17 “ You’re in me” ( Talking to the Father) and I’m in you. I’m in them and they are in me that we all maybe one as you and I are one.” ( God the Father was in Jesus but it also said that Jesus was in God. It said that Jesus is in us, but it also says that we are in Jesus. There is where the mystery is. He puts his spirit in us but he also put our spirit in him
Jo Smith